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Episode 10, March 2026

«Die Neue Unsicherheit – Love Edition»
Fatima Moumouni mit David Zabel und @Bundaskanzlerin

Followed by karaoke and comedy
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The conversation experiment on a ‘safe space for uncertainty’ – this time focusing on the topics ‘Loving white people’ and ‘Talking to the right wing’.

  • Fri 27/0320:00 – 22:00

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    A few remaining tickets available at the box office

The experiment on a ‘Safer Space for Uncertainty’ by the Zurich-based artist Fatima Moumouni. Copyright: Muriel Florence Rieben

‘The New Uncertainty’ is an experiment in creating a ‘safe space for uncertainty’. Together with her guests, the Zurich-based artist Fatima Moumouni uses this series to seek out moments of conversation that are honest, reflective, self-critical and, above all, unpretentious. The focus is not on finding the perfect position, but on the willingness to allow oneself to be unsettled, to tolerate contradictions and to think together in public.

For it is precisely in progressive discourses that – almost by definition – there is still much to reflect on, beyond the pitifully reactionary ‘WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE ALLOWED TO SAY ANYMORE?!’, in which the social negotiation of language, identity politics and equality is often trapped.

For the current Love Edition, the focus is on love: as a feeling, as a practice, as a political force, as a driving force for change, and as a canvas for cringe and kitsch.

The topics of this edition: ‘Loving white people’ and ‘Talking to the right wing’
What does it mean to grow up in a white society? And what does it mean, as a migrant or racialised person, to be surrounded by white people? What does it mean to love white people – in a familial, friendly and romantic sense? And then there’s the eternal topic of ‘talking to the far right’: how much love does anti-racist discourse need, who do we need to talk to, and where do we draw the line?

Guest in this issue: David Zabel

David Zabel grew up in East Germany in the 1990s, during the ‘baseball bat years’ marked by right-wing violence. He is a cultural mediator, educational innovator and researcher in Afrofuturism. His work lies at the intersection of art, education and social change. As a member of the advisory board of the Initiative Schwarze Menschen in Deutschland e.V. and chair of the Cultural Advisory Board of the City of Kassel, he advocates for cultural participation and greater visibility for marginalised perspectives. He is also involved with Roots Against Racism in Sports e.V., where he develops educational and empowerment programmes that address racism in sport and open up new perspectives on sporting culture.

In terms of content, David has been engaged with Afrofuturism for many years, exploring the visions of the future presented by Black science fiction authors such as Octavia E. Butler and Nnedi Okorafor. He sees Afrofuturism as a tool for developing new social concepts and creating spaces for imagination, empowerment and dialogue. Through lecture-performances such as ‘Your First Contact with Postcolonial Aliens’ and ‘Copagand’, he brings these themes to cultural and educational institutions, combining pop-cultural analysis with political education. His formats invite audiences to critically question familiar images and narratives and to develop new perspectives on society, power and the future.

Comedy set and karaoke party: ‘The Blackest White Hits of History’

The discussion will be followed by a performance by the artist and stand-up comedian Naya de Souza, also known as @Bundaskanzlerin. The meme queen, whose work also explores themes of whiteness and cis-heteronormativity, will perform a short comedy set before hosting the after-party: a karaoke session featuring ‘The Blackest White Hits of History’.

Further information

Information on accessibility and language

  • Stepless access

  • Languages: conversation in German spoken language, comedy and moderation of karaoke in English spoken language 

  • Duration and schedule: 2-hour conversation (including a break of 15 minutes after max. 60 minutes); after the conversation: approx. 20 minutes of conversion break followed by comedy (15-20 minutes) and karaoke (1 hour)

  • Sensory triggers: loud music and colourful lighting changes during the karaoke

  • Audience: Participating in the karaoke is voluntarily. 

  • Fatima Moumouni, born in 1992, is a spoken word poet, presenter and columnist based in Zurich. She has been performing on various stages across the German-speaking world since 2011. In recent years, she has also been invited to perform her work internationally, most recently at the ‘Poesìa Intercontinental’ project in Havana, the ‘Slam Nacional’ in Mexico City and the ‘Writers Festival’ in Singapore, as well as as part of the ‘FLIPAS’ project in Madrid.

    In addition to solo performances, she performs as part of a duo with Laurin Buser. The pair are currently touring with their spoken word show “COLD”. They were awarded the Salzburger Stier in 2021 for their joint evening programme “GOLD”. In 2023, she received the City of Zurich’s Cultural Award in the Dance/Theatre category. And from 2026 to 2027, she will receive the City of Zurich’s two-year concept grant.

    She has written the following plays:

    • Last Night a DJ took my life, Schauspielhaus Zürich, directed by Joana Tischkau (2024)

    • Leyla. Fragments, Staatstheater Hannover, directed by Miriam Ibrahim, world premiere 16 February 2024

    • Ich chan es Zündhölzli azünde, Schauspielhaus Zürich, co-written with Laurin Buser, directed by Suna Gürler (2023)

    • BULLESTRESS, Schauspielhaus Zürich, co-written with Laurin Buser, directed by Suna Gürler (2022)

    • Der Räuber Hotzenplotz, Theater Basel, co-written adaptation with Laurin Buser, directed by Jörg Pohl and Antú Romero Nunes (2020)

    From 2015 to 2020, she ran anti-racism awareness workshops with a focus on language. As a catalyst on the topics of discrimination and racism, she has appeared publicly in various formats over the last ten years, including on TV (SRF Arena 2020, SRF Sternstunde Religion, SRF Literaturclub). In recent years, she has also increasingly worked in museum contexts and produced poetry videos and audio pieces to accompany exhibitions (for the Fondation Beyeler, the Bern Historical Museum, and most recently for the exhibition ‘Kolonial. Switzerland’s Global Interconnections’ at the Swiss National Museum in Zurich). She is part of the collective ‘Das Wandbild Muss Weg’, which won the City of Bern’s competition regarding the racist mural at Wylergut Primary School and curated the exhibition ‘Resistance. Dealing with Racism in Bern’ at the Bern Historical Museum.

  • Stadt Zürich Kultur

David Zabel talks to Fatima Moumouni about the topics ‘Loving white people’ and ‘Talking to the right wing’. Copyright: David Zabel

Copyright: Cherry Auhoni

Copyright: Jonathan Labusch

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